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is that going to go over with the tea party? >> paul ryan and others will not win this issue. >> here's a news flash. >> the elections have consequences. >> we just had this election. >> it's already starting 2016. >> we're already talking about 2016. >> marco rubio. >> chris christie is off and run running. >> you have been wearing that fleece a lot. >> i'm going to die in this fleece. >>> good evening. i'm alex wagner in for lawrence o'donnell. rush limbaugh was at war with the republican party over what mitt romney told top donors on a conference call last week. >> the president's campaign did was focus on certain members of his base coalition, give them extraordinary financial gifts from the government, and then work very aggressively to turn them out to vote. >> tmz reports that mitt and ann romney watched the new "twilight" movie on saturday night, but sunday there was no romance between the republicans and mitt romney. >> we're in a big hole. we're not getting out of it by comments like that. when you're in a hole, stop digging. he keeps digging. >> i reject what he said. if we want peo

now, this is my favorite segment of the day, felicia, fresh off the campaign train covering paul ryan and paul cain who knows more than any human being about congress. well, with that intro, paul, don't disappoint me. >> is that an insult? >> no, i meant it as the highest form of compliment. you are talking to a political nerd. i feel like despite the fact we talk about the fiscal cliff all the time there's a level of misunderstanding this panic. it's not that simple. can you explain it in layman's terms? >> sure. . >> pretend you are talking to me. >> all of the tax hikes that are set to kick in on january 1, all the automatic spending cuts set to kick in on january 1, that's what we're trying to beat. we're trying to beat that deadline before all of those things kick in. but there's a way that you can do this so that there's a general agreement. a general framework where they understand that we're going to come up with a deal that can save almost $4 trillion but the implementation of this -- >> the specifics of that bill. >> which tax hikes are set in motion, which entitlement refor

. now that those who believed in austerity have abandoned it, will paul ryan accept that the president's balanced approach is actually the better way to deliver economic growth? >> yes, and i think the comment from this colorful mayor as well as a lot of other european leaders should make both parties step back here. remember what the fiscal cliff, the prem m is -- the entire premise that it is based on in august of 2011, which is that we had to have deficit reduction to match dollar to dollar the amount of debt ceiling extension. that is a good policy if we're in 3% or 4% economic growth but when the economy is growing at 1% or 2% growth you don't engage in fiscal austerity. 90% of all economists believe in keynesian economics. the idea now that we have to be facing a fiscal cliff when the economy is only at 2% is wrong and is wrong for most economists' point of view. if democrats and republicans are looking for a way out of the fiscal cliff, this whole idea of having to cut $1.6 trillion in january '13 is just a made up number. it's an artifice. there's no reason we need to stick to

compromise in this tax fight. he's tapping paul ryan to take a big new role. it makes perfect sense. >>> also, your john mccain hypocrisy alert is coming. he wants an apology from susan rice. is he kidding? we're still waiting on yours. >>> plus, here comes their worst night mare. we'll tell you what senate republicans are secretly saying behind closed doors about elizabeth warren coming to washington. not exactly planning a welcome party. >>> and how about this picture all over the internet? we'll explain what it's all about. >>> in a conference call, he won because he gave big gifts to target ed voters but some believe he won because of the big gift he got from republicans. [ male announcer ] what are happy kids made of? bikes and balloons, and noodles on spoons. a kite, a breeze, a dunk of grilled cheese. catches and throws, and spaghettio's. a wand, some wings, soup with good things. sidewalks and doodles and wholesome noodles. puddles and pails and yes, puppy dog tails. for a lunch like this, there's a hug and a kiss. because that's what happy kids are made of. campbell's. it's amazing w

paul ryan is here. we've seen members of his family but what a roller-coaster ride for his supporters, for his donors in this hall tonight. there was such a sense of defeat initially when fox news called ohio for barack obama, but then karl rove came on, started hedging, said it still was in play and people flooded the room and cheers went out handing o out american flags but as the math sunk in all that desflated and have seen children crying and a lot of hugs here tonight as they come to grips with the end of a hard-fought campaign. >> okay, bill weir, thank you very much. i want to go back to cokie roberts as jon karl was saying talking about nancy pelosi, the end of if she, indeed, does choose to retire as the democratic leader, the end of some career. >> an incredible career. she came to congress and having been told by the congresswoman who she replaced on her deathbed she said, nancy, you run for this seat and she did and, of course, rose in the ranks in the house and put together a remarkable majority for a period there and as the first female speaker, you know, you forget tha

remember that when this campaign started and paul ryan was named as running mate everyone said, medicare, they're going to crush the republicans on medicare in florida. we are winning the medicare debate in florida and i believe nationally. that's good for our country because we can start talking maturely about what it is we need to do to save that program and balance our budget. >> will connie mack's son, how what's he going to do with incumbent senator bill nelson? it could be a gop turnaround. the republicans need some turnarounds. what's your prognostication on that race? >> i think he's worked really hard. he's become a really good campaigner down the stretch here, especially. you can see the polls have tightened and i think he's got momentum on his side. we're hoping he'll help us get a new majority in the senate so we can get some business done. >> marco rubio in florida, thank you, good to see you. >>> coming up, special republicans expected to hold the house. but can the gop also gain control of the senate? we just talked about florida. much more coming up next. >>> i think pres

in football. >> would it have made a difference? i always thought paul ryan was a big risk as a vp. it didn't cover any other base, any other demographic. would he have been bolder and braver, had he gone for marco rubio or condoleezza rice? somebody a bit different from paul ryan, he looked like a younger version of mitt romney? >> you know, that's second guessing and i don't know. >> the vice president won his home state. >> he's been a district guy, if you will. >> in hindsight, marco rubio may have gotten -- instead of getting 27% of the latino vote, you may have gotten 35 or 40. you still may not have made it. the facts are, we didn't make it. and we had as good a candidate as we're going to -- surely the best candidate in the field. we have a good guy, a good person. a smart guy -- >> who would you like to see in '16 of all the current candidates? >> i'll tell you -- in about 48 hours. >> who's the kind of person? >> marco rubio is an appealing guy. i think he's a centrist. he can deal with changing demographics. >> jeb bush? >> can a bush do it again? i don't know if the country's re

argument in the campaign. mitt romney and paul ryan talked about the fact that this was a choice election and the american people made their choice on this issue and in fact the exit polls, as you know, show that a majority of the american people think we need to take this balanced approach to reducing the deficit because if we don't ask these higher income earners to contribute a little bit more reducing the deficit, everybody else gets whacked that much harder. we have less to invest in education for our kids, seniors on medicare have to pay more and the president has all along said we need to take a balanced approach. >> congressman, everybody's focused on the bush tax cuts. there's the alternative minute tax that will hit some 26 million households and there's -- there are costs to some people from obama care which is now acknowledged, we can say obama care without it being pejorative since the president embraced it during the campaign. there are other taxes that go in, the payroll tax cut from 2011 expires. what happen do you you do about all of that. >> alternative minimum tax there

. >> the seniors point is important because paul ryan was hammered over and over again about his medicare plan but romney did well with senior as cross the board. >> we'll take a break. thank you so much, cokie, ron. when we come back, 172 electoral votes are coming in as polling places close. >> announcer: this is an abc news special, "your voice, your vote," election night 2012 live from abc news election night headquarters in times square, new york, now reporting, diane sawyer and george stephanopoulos. >> and we are back and a big crossroads, 172 electoral votes in the polls that just closed including florida and new hampshire but it is, of course, very early but i want to run through for you right now what we are ready to project, the abc news decision desk based on exit polling is ready to project that barack obama, the president, has won in illinois, of course, it's his home state, 60% of the vote last time. in massachusetts, president obama has won there, it's a solid blue state, george. >> no question about it. mitt romney's home state but did not win it and also, diane, a key senate

. the convention did not so -- to not go so great, especially clint eastwood. paul ryan was a pretty strong collect -- pretty strong selection and was a strong campaigner and pleased the conservative base. on the other hand, the challenger did not when wisconsin, so it didn't pay off and that regard. but the first debate did pay off. romney came in well prepared. for a lot of people predisposed to not like him, he came off as presidential and smart and comfortable with himself. it was obvious the president prepared for the wrong debate. he prepared for romney to take a host of positions he did not put forth in that first debate. -- he was not able to keep it in that debate that followed. three quick narrative that turned out to be true but the american public. americans want to be helpful. during america -- during an election like this, they want to be inspired and told the world can be better. this is the main reason obama was let the first time around. had it was a lot tougher the second time because we're still experiencing a downturn, but he said stick with me and we can do this together. romne

these battleground states. he is in wisconsin. members of his team has said wisconsin is in play paul ryan, that is his home state. the president giving the stump speech he has prepare and passionately delivering across the country. i want to let you see some other battleground state newspaper headlines. you can see how this playing out at least in some of those papers. first, florida orlando sentinel. get out the vote. smart phones and cab lets are being used as weapons in the final battle. in the new hampshire valley news, they say the state braces for voter id. those who don't have a photo id will be able to vote in new hampshire, they'll just have to sign an affidavit attesting they are who they say they are. an a headline in the telegraph herald, voter turnout already. 29%, 43% of early voters are registered democrats. 32%, republican. joining us once again, nbc news senior political editor mark murray. we listened to the president's stump speech, that's the speech he has been giving now, the same speech throughout the country. obviously the message there is interesting in that bill c

didn't win. mitt romney-paul ryan were terrific leaders and decent people. we go to election and the polls even. hand it to the president. he did a great job getting out of with the voter and closing argument had undecided many go his way. we salute that. but yes, i'm pleased that the bright light last night. we won eight of the 11 congressional seats in virginia. and we pick up another republican governor. so we have 30 republican governors. 60% now. around the country. that is a good sign. >> bret: there is instro spection. if you look at the coalition the president put together, the latino vote. exit polls. it went up from 2008 to 2012. voted for president obama. the youth vote went up from 2008 to 2012 from 18 to 19%. the female vote gender gap was significant for the president. the gender gap is significant. do the republicans have to do more on those fronts? >> yes. i thought the message was good on jobs and the economy. deficit reduction, energy independence, protecting the military. the right issue. but winning is the combination of the right tone to bring as many peo

of the republican party after romney's loss. >> congressman paul ryan, is he the leader of the republican party now? >> oh, i wouldn't think so. paul ryan is a policy -- >> well, there you go. paul ryan, you're not the leader of the republican party right now. officially here in washington, it is, speaker boehner. we're seeing more of the republican blame game. a romney supporter posted a tell all about the romney's campaign get out the vote effort known as orca. quote, this is what they told us. project orca is a massive understand taking. the newest unprecedented and most tech logically advanced plan to win the 2012 presidential election. pretty much everything in that sentence is false, this person keeps writing. and he said, the bitter iron any of this entire endeavor was that a supposedly small government candidate gutted the local structure of get out the vote efforts in favor of a centralized faceless organizations. in this case, their boston headquarters. wrap your head around that. karl rove whose failure to win victories at the helm of the cross roads had this defense on tuesday. >> he su

't ready. they had just been elected, people like chris christie, people like paul ryan. >> one cycle too soon. >> people like mike pence and mitch daniels, like jeb bush. the republicans have a very deep bench. bobby jindal, a bumper crop of governors and senators as well. >> michelle, molly mentioned chris christie. i will say i was -- i am surprised at the level of criticism he is getting within the republican world. >> absolutely. >> do you buy that this hurts chris christie in any meaningful way going forward? as a potential candidate? >> absolutely not. despite what is happening and the rhetoric going on with republicans who are angry with chris christie, people in new jersey love chris christie. >> his numbers are great. his polling for the handling of hurricane sandy. >> absolutely. and there is something refreshing about the fact he seems to be above politics. he calls it like he sees it. quite frankly, today's republican party has imploded and there is room for a chris christie. there is room for bobby jindal and all the other people we're talking about because they are not your

be in play with congressman paul ryan on the gop ticket. we'll bring you the president's remarks live from milwaukee as soon as they get things started there. >>> and after weeks of polls that put the race up in the air, there are signs the president is solidifying a top position in the race. take a look at this. two new nbc news "wall street journal" polls, pairist polls shows the president holding on to a six-point lead in ohio. you know the importance of that state by now. and two points ahead of governor romney in florida. but within the margin of error. also, early voting in florida ends today after the number of early voting days in that state is cut by half this year. 25 million people have already voted early in 34 states and washington, d.c. >>> and back to the frenetic pace on the campaign trail. both candidates have already held rallies in new hampshire, iowa, and wisconsin. >> you do want to be able to trust your president. you want to know -- you want to know that -- that your president means what he says and says what he means. after four years of president, you know me. you

early on that mitt romney was not someone you could trust. paul ryan did the same thing with the top of it takers and givers. he just confirmed that that is who he is, a plutocrat. >> where is the republican party go from here? does it need to rebuild? >> yes, it needs to rebuild. mitt romney and the republicans have become the rip van winkle party, they have awakened from their slumber to find that their black and brown people in america, young people, jews and asians, and somehow they have all but given the vote. how did this happen? well, they were bribed, given gifts instead of corporations and banks getting gifts. >> and they are all special interest groups, not really part of the whole. these strange interest groups, like young people getting some relief -- >> but you have responsible republicans saying that we have got to reach out more to hispanics -- >> senator marco rubio said yesterday, "i don't know these people who don't want to work." these governors, republican governors, if you are in a gerrymandered house district, you can keep with the 47%. if you are a senator like

for the republican ticket governor romney. vice presidential candidate paul ryan is also speaking at a rally. this one in castle rock, colorado. let's briefly listen in. of revenge. [crowd booing] >> we are asking for your are vote out of love of country. that is what americans do. and the way we are doing this is we believe we should not just give you vague platitudes or run against the other are guy or try and tear down the other guy. we give you ideas. the reason we keep talking about the five point plan s we leave we ought to respect you our fellow citizens by giving you specific solutions. real reforms for a real recovery that get people what back to work. we have so is much energy in this country. let's put people back to work. let's get jobs. it is right in front of us. it is right here. and for those men and women who are struggling, who are falling behind or in between jobs get the bureaucracy out of the way and get them the skills they need orchids stuck in struggling schools in the inner city and rural area let the parents take them out of a school and put them in a good school th

and paul ryan had won, they'd say they have a mandate r for imposing the ryan romney budget. the president talked about this issue. he says we need to ask higher income individuals to pay more to generate revenue, as part of the solution. part of the solution along with cuts, to reducing the deficit, so it's not as if this hasn't been an important part of the campaign argument. so we'll have to see how this goes. >> i'll look forward the to talking to you more about it. you know what investors are telling me, you got to go about four times bigger. >> i think the framework of the bipartisan commission is right and it would be great if our republican colleagues would adopt that. people like grover norquist have said that's just a subterfuge to raise taxes on the american people when in fact, it's a balanced approach to getting the job done. >> still to come, the keys to victory. how the president won and the voters who turned against the republican party. tonight, there are warning signs for both sides. john king at the magic wall. the man does not sleep. he is back. plus, after last night,

the solution is get rid of paul ryan. >> the republican party has to rethink strategy. in hind sight, marco rubio would have been the best choice to run with mitt romney. it's not a knock on paul ryan. he did very well. it's just that the gop needs to send a powerful signal to hispanic voters that the party respects them. >> he thinks it's about signals. he think it's about having a spanish name on the ballot. you don't have to do anything on policy. >> and you don't have to do anything on tone. i think mark got to a really good point. you have this phenomenon happen in the conservative movement where their media culture has taken over their political culture. the left has a media culture too but it doesn't instruct the party how to behave. but people like bill o'reilly and rush limbaugh, they set the tone and the tea party enforces that within the political space. they expect and demand even marco rubio had to be against the dream act. he had to use term like illegals. you have to get up to the edge of top radio speak in order to fit in. just having somebody with an "o" at the end of their

rubio would have been the best choice to run with mitt romney. it's not a knock on congressman paul ryan he did very well. it's just that the g.o.p. knees to send a powerful signal to g.o.p. voters that respect them. they cast approximately 11 million ballots yesterday. obama beat romney by less than 3 million in the popular vote. the good news for the republics is that the pressure is now on president obama and the democrats. if the economy doesn't improve dramatically over the next four years, the democratic party will evaporate. simple as that what is more complicated is the mind set of the american people. as i reported last night during the election coverage about half of all american homes are now receiving some kind of government entitlement. some earned, some not. so any effort to reform or cut back on entitlements is a tough sell. but it's going to have to be done. president obama won because he effectively put together a coalition of the willing. voters who had something to gain by keeping him in office. but with the nation heading towards financial insolvency, possible bankrup

's paul ryan, marco rubio, ted cruz coming into the senate and the governor, scott walker. all across the board, mitch daniels, jeb bush, who will be there in 2016. i predict that the field of candidates in 2016 will be as strong as the field of republican candidates in 1980, which was astonishingly strong -- reagan, bush syren, bob dole. it was a whole generation of admirable and i think the rank will be improved and the message will be much stronger. so the idea is not to become a second liberal party. it is to be conservative and do it better. i think the generation is at hand. this is not a time for retreat or despair. >> i think you are right. there is woo too much hang wringing in some newscast party, to must have to the left. i can't let you go without asking you about the tragic news of the day, the resignation of general petraeus and the revelation that he has been having an affair with his biog fear. what is your sense of the implications of that and the unfolding narrative in the investigation that somehow led to the discovery of the affair? >> well, clearly, we are going t

. republicans? paul ryan ran for president once, according to mitt romney. >> joining me in welcoming the next president of the united states, paul ryan. >> reporter: we just learned that florida's marco rubio will coincidentally be headlining a birthday celebration for the iowa governor in altoona. don't be surprised if you see bobby jindal take a ski trip to new hampshire or chris christie with a time share in south carolina and there are others. so many others. there are still a great many twists and turns and unknowns, but one thing about 2016 seems fairly certain, they'll still be counting ballots in florida from this time. john burman, cnn, new york. >> for political news junkies like me i can't wait, already looking forward to the iowa caucuses. >>> jeanne moos has been combing through hours and hours of election coverage. up next she'll show us some of the most unusual moments. at unitedhealthcare insurance company, we understand that commitment. so does aarp, serving americans 50 and over for generations. so it's no surprise millions have chosen an aarp dicare supplement insurance pla

and a presidency littered with broken promises. >> reporter: romney's running mate, paul ryan, who's largely stayed out of the spotlight in the final days of the campaign, has started to ratchet up the rhetoric. on a conference call with religious conservatives, ryan warned the president is leading the nation down a path that grows government, restricts freedom and liberty and compromises those values that made us such a great and exceptional nation. a campaign spokesman said ryan was talking about religious liberty and obama care, topics he has mentioned frequently during the campaign. and there is no rest for this campaign. mitt romney will wrap up his night tonight where his campaign began, in new hampshire, at an event where kid rock will be performing. then he gets up in the morning with his wife, ann, and goes to vote near his home in massachusetts. then it's off to those election day stops in ohio and pennsylvania. i talked to a senior romney adviser about those stops. they will not be big campaign rallies. he's going to be thanking his supporters and volunteers who have worked tirelessly to

appearances to boost turn-out. >> i feel great about ohio. >> paul ryan and his wife voted in wisconsin. ryan met up with ryan in ohio where they greeted an thanked the volunteers. >> i'm so optimistic. not just about the results of the election, but optimistic about what is ahead for america. >> i got a good feel for it on the ground. it didn't feel it in 2008 frankly. we have momentum. >> tossups are a slight essential for ohio and pennsylvania for president. g.o.p. candidates traditionally outperform the polls on election day. >> we do better on election day. that historically has been the pattern. democrats tend to try to bank as many votes as they can. in early voting and absentee ballots. >> without a win in ohio, romney's path to 270 electoral vote is harder. he focused on pennsylvania where the race tightened as a possible a terntive. >> appreciate all the work you are doing. >> then back to boston to await returns with often eye on florida, ohio and virginia, team romney expects as they go, so will the nation. for months despite record spending, record campaign activity, record adver

differently. there rummy and paul ryan are good man and the leaders. i want to wish them and their families well. the american people have spoken. they have reelected president obama and they have reelected the putt -- a republican majority. there is a mandate in yesterday's results and a mandate to find a way to work together on the solutions to the challenges will face as a nation. a message today is not one of confrontation but one of conviction. in the weeks and months ahead we face a series of tremendous challenges and opportunities. there is the fiscal cliff. a combination of spending cuts and tax increases mandated by law. congress will be asked to raise the nation's debt ceiling. legislation will be needed to keep the government running as a continuing resolution under which we are currently operating. amid this short-term hurdles we face the greatest challenge of all. a massive debt that is smothering growth and exceeding the entire size of our economy. there will be many who will say that we should confront the first of these challenges by letting the tax rates expire and pushing

everywhere they can throughout the state. paul ryan had a bus tour throughout ohio last weekend, about eight stops and he was campaigning through the center of ohio to touch as many people in the suburbs he possibly could. >> gretchen: i feel like i know ohio, well, having worked in cincinnati, cleveland and my husband is from columbus. >> oh, wow. >> gretchen: good to see you, erin. one station handed out free gas during the middle of the gas shortage, wait until you hear how this ends, unfortunately it wasn't pretty. we go up close with some of the neighbors hardest hit by hurricane sandy. . >> i'm jamie colby in breezy point, new york when a congressman becomes a constituent and loses had all. and are they getting it all new york congressman bob turner in his own words coming up. and a trip to the one place with the new ideas that help us pull it all together. from the things that hang and shine... ...to the things that sparkle and jingle. all while saving the things that go in our wallet. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. trade in any light string and get up to

me in welcoming the next president of the united states, paul ryan.

in chief aura. >> there is an important role that the federal government plays. romney and paul ryan talked about the government needs to get out of the way. >> romney specifically said he would cut fema. >> the last thing people want when catastrophe strikes is the government to get out of the way. >> some people remember obama came in in the middle of a crisis and he was cool headed. they were reminded that this guy doesn't react as much emotionally as we like to saee, when a crisis hits, he is the guy we would like to see. >> over here to your stage right. hi. what will be president obama's 3 legacy initiatives? what luck willie have getting those through to the congress? two.ll teaake an interview with "the des moines register." he talked about immigration. he can get that done if he plays his cards right. he thought he could get a grand bargain. that will be harder to have a balanced approach to fighting what is -- that is two. >> i would think a third legacy would be a health-care. republicans have been saying all these things are going to happen under obamacare. now was on the eviden

music. >> they are nervous a little bit. he is following paul ryan. it says look this is a fire wall but may be about to bridge. look at the close of mitt romney. it was gracious, nice, uplifting. voting is the rest revenge. >> he changed it a little bit. that tells mesy remember in 2008 they out lived soon we are going to do it 6789 where is his enhsus. from gopt hill coin fon. he gets people laughing and talking. president obama doesn't have that fireness. >> heard president obama was a great speaker with the teleprompter. i think he was held by being up there in the disaster area. when he gets back on the road with rom peenesia he has the pu of the presidency and another candidate like someone in the primaries going against unanother. that dumb minute nishes the president. it interrupted if he got himself in that pulpit and squashed the benghazi thing for a week. i think he has been going to where he looked. >> it is 5shgs 6, 7 points. they have national polls right now. i always pay attention to ohio and colorado. do the goals mean anything? >> if mitt romney were to win for minn

eastwood episode. did not change a lot of minds. the selection of paul ryan was a pretty strong selection. he turned out to be a very strong campaigner. i think he certainly please the conservative base. on the other hand, the challenger did not win wisconsin so didn't pay off in that regard. but the first debate absolutely did pay off. romney came in very well prepared for a lot of people who predisposed to not like him, he came off as presidential, very smart, very comfortable with himself, and clearly it was obvious that the president had prepared for the wrong debate. he clearly had prepared for romney to take a host of positions that he did not push forward in that first debate. romney had his chance for a comeback. he just was not able to keep it going in the debates that followed. now, three quick and narratives that turned out to be true about the american public. one is a think americans want to be hopeful. during an election like this, they want to be inspired to want to be told the world can be better. this is the main reason obama was elected the first time around. it was a lo

mitt romney found his running mate in paul ryan. thought that would do the trick. it hasn't yet. >> it hasn't done the trick. but this is a state that hasn't gone republican since 1984 when ronald reagan won their handily. in 2004, george w. bush did try and turn wisconsin republican, he almost did it. it has been democrat for obama in the l.a.x. election by 14 points. but republicans wanted to make wisconsin part of the battleground as a fail safe against ohio. >> that was not really a battleground state for all practical purposes until governor romney put paul ryan on to the ticket and this moved it into the uncertain column but i think it would be a real surprise to most observers, independent observers if somehow mitt romney won that state. it's just a democratic state. what has it gone last six presidential elections democrats have won out there. >> pelley: and paul ryan's not particularly well known throughout the state. he's a congressman from the first congressional district and beyond that the folks in wisconsin don't know him well. >> that's the fate of all congressmen

of the fiscal consolidation? some said that paul ryan is saying we are going to leave medicare the way it is -- >> that is more interesting than the specific transfer, because i'm not a sure that the transfer is ultimately sustainable. it makes the math work -- >> more sustainable today than -- [laughter] >> there is certainly far more interested in the broader question of the debt burden. i think it is question that all economists are worried about, this debt-to-gdp ratio and. in the generational context as well. at the people are much more aware after years of a trillion dollar deficits than they were four or five years ago -- >> it is not the generational issue, because the people voted overwhelmingly for -- young people voted overwhelmingly for -- >> you are basically saying, are we saying to them, you are going to have to bear the burden of all the consolidation and we are going to exempt ourselves from it, because in the right version, for example, nothing really happens for 10 years. we put more money back in for seniors. generational it, does that work? >> there is the time val

paul ryan for all that he has done for our campaign. and for our country. besides my wife, ann, paul is the best choice i've ever made. and i trust that his intellect and his hard work and his commitment to principle will continue to contribute to the good of our nation. >> i want to thank my friend and partner of the last four years, america's happy warrior, the best vice president anybody could ever hope for, joe biden! >> all right. welcome back. 29 past the hour. a special post-election edition of "morning joe" live from studio 8h in rockefeller center. >> by the way, look who's here. this is huge. >> joining nous, nbc chief foreign affairs, andrea mitchell. political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele. and msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman harold ford jr. and host of "mad money" on cnbc, jim cramer. >> and by the way, andrea mitchell, thank you guys for coming. andrea mitchell came up to me, mika, spoken like a true lawyer, she said, i believe that for you to grow your mustache, the

and behold, a week and a half later we had paul ryan. i don't think chris christie would've made a difference. but it is interesting and there has been a lot of contention that the convention culminating today between chris christie. >> chris christie is not a guy that forgets. he has a lot of pride. >> that is well said. chris christie helped president obama get reelected. it's kristy christie was part of that. >> i want to look at the real-time results. democrats are in the waning senate races. north dakota, nevada, new mexico and wisconsin. if that were to hold and a lot of those are too close to call, that means you end up with a senate that has 54 democrats and two independents. bernie sanders and angus king, the newly elected independent from the state of maine. there would be 56 senate democratic votes. mitt romney has structured a very flawed campaign you have mitt romney they say if you are your own lawyer, that's not a good idea. it is a terrible idea. they had a very inefficient structure, a confused message. dealing with a candidate. they were shocked at his first debate performan

going to win. we heard mitt romney did and ann romney did. >> paul ryan. >> paul ryan did. did you believe on election day you were going to win? >> i thought between the end of the debates, the debate season and the onset of the storm, we had tremendous momentum. >> yeah. >> we saw it in our internal data, saw it in some of the external data, the public data and saw it on the ground. we would go to rallies, people standing in lines, thousand for hours. >> what happened? why was your internal data so flawed? why was it so wrong? >> i think a couple things. one, there is a -- some kind of systemic crisis today in the world of polling, i think on the right of center polling. the modeling was way off. how pollsters on the republican side -- although not just the republican side. gallup polling, rasmussen made similar mistakes. the understanding, the electorate looked like was way off. >> first of all, you know rasmussen is a republican poll. >> gallup? i'm not letting anyone off the hook. i'm saying there is -- look the republican establishment needs to do an audit and figure out how

rubio, no doubt about it. paul ryan, you're going to see him try to work his magic on the budget. ted cruz in texas, and i think susana martinez of new mexico. she's a gritty former prosecutor, a no-nonsense person and a woman who, i think, appeals to a broad range of people. megyn: she made quite a splash at the republican national convention. >> i like her. 2016 begins. [laughter] megyn: good to see you. >> purple. we're all working together now. [laughter] good to see you, thanks so much. megyn: all right, see ya. >>> well, up next see this rain behind me? it gets much worse before it gets better. when we come back, what all this means for the hundreds of thousands who are still without power and those struggling to rebuild their homes in an area that is now getting hit with another storm. >>> and as the voters headed to the polls yesterday, so did a group of international election observe efforts sent out to look for possible voter suppression. wait until you hear what they found. ♪ 99 bushels of wheat on the farm...99 bushels of wheat! ♪ [ male announcer ] yep, there's 8 laye

that if marco rubio had been the vice presidential choice instead of paul ryan that that would have made a difference in florida, virginia, nevada, and colorado? >> no. it wouldn't have made enough of a difference in this election. but if marco rubio is the presidential candidate, in 2016, and the party begins to advocate, enforcement, plus amnesty after enforcement, i think it will be a sea change. i think you will get a revolution of the hispanic vote. i think it will restore all this talk about how republics are demographickics ticket is nonsense. >> thank you as always. >> a pleasure. >> bill: factor tip of the day about you and christmas. the tip 60 seconds away. >> bill: i'm glad you are talking to the kids about thisi. lisa. zbloogt thinking why beed bus end >> bill: we can find no such evidence, charles. if you have it. please forward it to me. >> bill: wow, that is some great wife, tim. especially since the vegas show is sold out. the only one that still has seats is in houston. contend and lincoln number three and kennedy number one.

in the republican pond. there probably isn't enough room if for both him and marco rubio to run. paul ryan i think is a potential candidate in 2016 and then a number of others, bob mcdonald, the governor of virginia. if he finds something that's helpful to him to raise his profile. i think these guys are trying to get an idea of what the contributions would be like. what the field looks like. what kind of platform they could put together to appeal to the voters that mitt romney did not. obviously, mitt romney had a huge deficit with african-american voters, hispanic voters and women voters, so i think these potential candidates are trying to map it out. >> david corn, when george w. bush ran, he got such a quick surge in the polls that no one was able to stop him. is jeb bush that guy this time? is he the one that if he makes it clear he's running, others will decide not to? >> you know, i still wonder if two words come to mind. too soon. i mean, the george w. bush presidency is still not held in high esteem amongst many voters who still blame bush for the economic downturn at the end of his admin

of chris christie, paul ryan, marco rubio, ted cruz, susana martinez. it feels really dark today, but there is a bright side for republicans. and we're going to have some great faces moving forward. >> the dark ages of the republicans in '64 meant they weren't going to win another presidential election until 1968. four years later. i mean these things do have a way of turning the democrats. >> and 2016 will be a changed election of course. i think we're going to have a little bit of a break until then, but what a fascinating race on both sides. democrats and republicans. but i think in terms of who won the election or not, better campaigns -- >> when is the better campaign lost in a presidential? right. i mean, nobody wants to fully admit it. i know. >> but bad winning in fairness you become the better candidate. >> bush won, i guess. >> when you lose it's always the finger pointing. but i would say tonight republican friends having been there in january of 2005, i've got a book of talking points i'll send you. same question. who's the leader of the party, what do you stand for.

made a difference. [applause] i just spoke with governor romney, and i congratulated him and paul ryan on a hard-fought campaign. [applause] we may have battled fiercely, but it's only because we love this country deeply, and we care so strongly about its future. from george to lenore to their son mitt, the romney family has chosen to give back to america through public service, and that is a legacy that we honor and applaud tonight. [applause] in the weeks ahead, i also look forward to sitting down with governor romney to talk about where we can work together to move this country forward. [applause] i want to thank my friend and partner of the last four years, america's happy warrior -- [applause] the best vice president anybody could ever hope for -- joe biden. [applause] and i wouldn't be the man i am today without the woman who agreed to marry me 20 years ago. [applause] let me say this publicly -- michelle, i have never loved you more. i have never been prouder to watch the rest of america fall in love with you, too, as our nation's first lady. [applause] sasha and malia, before o

andrew cuomo. the republicans have their own starting lineup. paul ryan, who played the role of understudy in this campaign, new jersey governor chris christie, even though some conservative republicans blame him for his high-octane embrace of president obama. florida senator marco rubio on a fak fast track who say he's the republican solution to the problem with hispanics. >> if i'm a serious policymaker, i'll have a lot of opportunities to do different things in politics, outside of politics. >> and there are some party leaders who are still long for former florida governor jeb bush. you can argue that it is too early to even be thinking about 2016, but ask yourself, when did barack obama first start dreaming about becoming president? craig. >> andrea mitchell, thanks to you for some smart speculation. now let's bring in the brain trust. joan walsh, editor at large for salon.com. also an msnbc political analyst. perry bacon, the editor for "the g rir grio." this is a limit brain trust. sometimes we have to fake it. not today. let's pick up the here. let's start with where a

not believe you have to change the basic structure of medicare and medicaid, as paul ryan does. you can find great savings by working with the inefficiencies. >> excuse me. john. >> speaker boehner talked about not increasing tax rates for small businesses. if that framework could be accomplished, what kind of revenues could be raised within that framework? could you consider the limit on the value of deductions that the president had in his budget? >> in terms of small businesses, how do you define a small business? that is one of the slippery slopes. do you define a multibillion- dollar entertainment company, sports team, or hedge fund as a small business because their structure happens to be a business structure? everyone agrees that what we really mean when we say small business, what the typical voter envisions, is the local dry cleaner, the manufacturer who has 15 people making widgets and stuff like that. nobody thinks they should have their taxes raised. if it is used as code for people who are very wealthy and really large businesses, do not fit the traditional definition, that is a

paul ryan should play, and how willing be think he will be on your group? "new york times." >> i hope he is front and center, because he is the best spokesperson on how serious the fiscal situation is and how to put us back on a sustainable path. i think all of us were impressed about how he handled himself on the campaign trail. i hope he is right in the middle of it. i anticipate he is going to be -- i assume that is where my colleagues are as well. >> i would just add to that that when you step back and look at the results and look at some of the conclusions that some have drawn, we are going to be clear of voices of leadership to lay out an agenda for the future. i think paul is a very important part of that. i was glad to see him come back into conference this morning. it was a bore welcome with a double standing ovation, but we are going to need clear voices to articulate future. how do you get to balance the spender we have in the white house? how can we get a balanced budget amendment to the constitution? he has been a supporter of that. he has articulated that support for it

can get along. there's a space here to do it. >> anxious to see the role paul ryan is going to play. republican hand wringing. this sandy business, they've got to stop. is it getting a little absurd? >> they have to think over things. you have two warring camps. mcdonnell was confrontational. people are lining up behind him. what they lack is a leader, a leader who can step up. jeb bush might be able to do it, but there is no leader that can unite these camps. >> democrats, 1988. shameless plug. you first? >> my brother and his wife, my sister-in-law had a new child on election day morning. family is very happy. new nephew. >> very nice, and his name is ballot. >> my shameless plug is for the white house press pool who unfailingly was working hard all through this election. no one saw them. on election day, the call time was 6:00 a.m. they ended at 3:00 a.m. and had three hours sleep the night before. >> never met him. nate silver, "new york times" >> very nice. that's it. got to go. chris jansing, see you. buy. r 2000... r 2000... 1200 calories a day. carbs are bad. carbs are good.

's absolutely possible. marco rubio or paul ryan are associated with the tea party. so certainly. but going back to something leslie said, it's how you communicate these issues. you can't be talking about electrified fences and cattle prods when you're talking about immigration. look, the country is for border security and a reasonable immigration policy but it's how you communicate it. >> brown: what about on various other social issues. we s forhe fst te g marriage, for example, same-sex marriage. >> when it comes to gay marriage or abortion women in this country aren't turned off by people are pro-life, there are people who will pro-life in all of our families. they're opposed to people sounding like cavemen when they talk about being pro life. so there's a smart way to communicate these issues. >> brown: so keep the policy but change the way you talk about it and who you talk to? >> be rational and reasonable and understand there's a different view but trying to find common ground without compromising your principles. in our movement conservatives hear oderze a ada" a they hear "liberalize"

-identified as a potential candidate. marco rubio is heading there is leading the pack. marco rubio. paul ryan. certainly as a vp nominee. bobby jindal. certainly if chris christie wins re-election he would be in that pack. biden or hillary? my money is on hillary. >> i don't know. i'm a biden fan and hillary fan. i'm going to wait at least for a little while. >> greta? >> keep your eye on governor susana martinez. out of new mexico. she's a republican in a democratic state. she handled their deficit problem. she was against -- she came out against something that governor romney said, the self-deportation, so she was on the outs a little bit with republicans. i would keep an eye on her over senator rubio. because she's governor. >> speaking as a journalist i'm a biden man. i like joe, he provides great copy. on the republican side, if george jeb bush runs he has to be the favorite. >>> thank you very much. thank you all, fantastic roundtable. congressman schock will be answering the questions you have on twitter. look for that on abcnews.com/thisweek later today. >>> on this veterans day, we honor our fe

is for this century and a line resources that way. >> you played paul ryan during the vice-presidential debate. you perhaps know the budget plan almost as well as paul ryan. what can you say about the plan knowing you were critical of it, you have opposed it. what could the basis between the middle ground? is there anything you see as a seed for compromise? anything you could negotiate with republicans? >> there is very little overlap between the democrat and republicans. we believe there are savings to be made in terms of rolling back the excess of agricultural subsidies. that is a part of his budget and a part of ours. we should be able to agree on those issues fairly quickly. the term common ground is used a lot. what we need is -- it would be great to find common ground. compromise means you have to accept some things you do not like an exchange for a moving forward and accomplishing a national objective. compromise has been in short supply until many parts of capitol hill. hopefully this will allow us to move forward. it needs to move forward in the context as change indicated of an understand

strategy is for this century and align our resources that way. >> you played paul ryan during the vice-presidential debate. you know the paul ryan budget plan as well as paul ryan. you know it well. what can you say about the plan knowing you were critical of it you, proposed it? what do you see in that plan that could be the basis for middle ground between yourself and paul ryan moving forward? you will be part of these negotiations. is there anything in the plan that could be the seed for compromise? any area that you would be willing to negotiate with republicans attacked there is very little overlap between the democratic budget and the house republican budget. there are some areas of, for its --, and brown. this is a point i want to in and says. this term is used a lot. stocks this would be great to find common ground. compromise will be aetna and require. the need to have to accept some things you do not lead and in exchange for moving forward and accomplishing a national objective. compromise has been in short supply. hopefully, when this will allow us to move forward. it needs

that mitt romney would win, republicans would take the senate, we would almost instantly have the paul ryan budget implemented with all of the entitlement reforms. now he's carrying right on saying, in fact, the republicans are in a stronger position today and government is on the run more than ever before. look, he has to do this to kind of keep his troops in line. his troops largely being the house republicans. but i heard from republicans on the senate side who are saying, you know, grover is really no longer speaking for the party here. something really has changed and i think this is a rear guard action he's doing to just kind of slow down the pace of the retreat. >> the thing about it is i have never blamed grover by himself. i mean, he's an opportunistic lobbyist. the people who you kind of blame here are the ones who sign away their democratic, you know, job really by signing the pledge, and when you hear that some of those folks are starting to really back off and do so publicly, that's a very good sign, martin. >> yeah. one almost wonders what on earth they were doing being electe

candidate. >> with finances, the right was pretty happy with the fact that paul ryan was chosen on the ticket considered to be a budget hawk on the hill. does he have a prospect, a brighter future because of the practice that he got out of going through this election and the lessons learned, possibly utilize that going forward? >> this conversation reminds me of the stephen colbert skit of a committee to explore the question of whether or not they should create a committee. you know, clearly ryan is i guess somewhat self appointed, new right young thing of the party and listening to john boehner's comments when asked if he's the leader of the party, there's disagreement in the party and bears remembering every time we have done this in the past election cycles, thought object who the likely candidates were, almost none of them ended up being the likely candidate. mitt romney is an exception and perceived to be a credible front-runner of 2012 and tim pawlenty. >> experience of '08? >> yeah. my point is -- >> traction. >> we project forward based on who's the luminaries now. it of

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